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Rescue attempt plan for R2P
Nov 28, 2016


 
Posted by Andy Graydon Id_icon at 10:22 AM on Nov 30, 2016 Post #17

I really didn't want to comment on this. I've just removed myself from that stupid Sim Racer Facebook page where people are constantly in a world of hurt over "my sim is better than yours" and just can't read and digest or are just plain and simple wind up merchants.

I thought Bob felt insulted by others ideas of what R2P should be earlier in this post? So that came full circle pretty quickly, can't you see that guys. We all have our own ideals, why can't we just be accepting of others wishes. However, just for info purposes:-

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Wikipedia definition of Sim Racing:-

"Sim (simulated) racing is the collective term for computer software (i.e. a vehicle simulation game) that attempts to accurately simulate auto racing (a racing video game), complete with real-world variables such as fuel usage, damage, tire wear and grip, and suspension settings.[1] To be competitive in sim racing, a driver must understand all aspects of car handling that make real-world racing so difficult,[2] such as threshold braking, how to maintain control of a car as the tires lose traction, and how properly to enter and exit a turn without sacrificing speed. It is this level of difficulty that distinguishes sim racing from "arcade" driving games where real-world variables are taken out of the equation and the principal objective is to create a sense of speed as opposed to a sense of realism.[2]

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Now, if you read and digest that carefully, seems to back up what Bob was saying? Change to non-real world parameters on fuel and tyres.....and it is not 'Sim Racing'? Remove the word Sim or Simulation if you 4x tyres or 50x fuel, eh?

Nothing is free, by the way.....someone somewhere is paying for your privilege of the ability to race online.

It comes to a point where that someone somewhere has had enough (I speak from personal experience of paying for websites and working my arse off for others to race, PRIOR to R2P I hasten to add) and then your service "for free" disappears when they don't feel appreciated or get told how they should be doing things. It's that kind of selfishness that has led to the demise of R2P - they chose the pay model to make a business out of it, but people cried when the free options got reduced. Pathetic.

I will move on from R2P and try and find a community who just loves their 'Sim Racing', whatever the cost!

To John. I'm afraid saving R2P is simply not going to happen. Tim and Todd are two very special people, once in a lifetime commitment that let us race online for 10 glorious years. There is still nothing out there like this website, that's because of all the time and money spent on it. Let's just try and enjoy it for this last month, and please avoid the "flame war's".

Sim racing. Just try it, please! Driving for real world distances and the ability to concentrate for long periods, get cramp in your arse, get dehydrated, feel the slight changes over many laps whilst slowly adapting and constantly thinking about strategy, fuel, tyres over a real world time period. Lol, then tell me you know what Sim racing is truly all about. It's not about hotlapping and doing it all in 30 minutes (I'm talking modified events, not real world 30 minute events). Challenge yourselves. The payback items of pleasure will be on a different level, trust me:).

And as Forrest Gump said, "that's all I've got to say about that".

 
Posted by Jason Whited Id_icon_gray at 10:45 AM on Nov 30, 2016 Post #18

Nice post, Andy.

I deleted my own little add to the rant from earlier on because I'm not going to be involved in this dispute. No sense in it and I have better things to do, really.

Honestly, about all I can say is some seem to take all this a little too seriously. Maybe step outside and smell the fresh air for a bit, it's really not THAT important. Hell, in the big scheme of things it means absolutely nothing (shocking, I know)....hope that doesn't also "offend" the seemingly easily offended here *insert rolling eyes here.

I love you guys anyways, so, deal with it :P

 
Posted by Paul Anstey Id_icon at 11:14 AM on Nov 30, 2016 Post #19

Wikipedia definition of Sim Racing:-
"Sim (simulated) racing is the collective term for computer software (i.e. a vehicle simulation game) that attempts to accurately simulate auto racing (a racing video game), complete with real-world variables such as fuel usage, damage, tire wear and grip, and suspension settings.[1] To be competitive in sim racing, a driver must understand all aspects of car handling that make real-world racing so difficult,[2] such as threshold braking, how to maintain control of a car as the tires lose traction, and how properly to enter and exit a turn without sacrificing speed. It is this level of difficulty that distinguishes sim racing from "arcade" driving games where real-world variables are taken out of the equation and the principal objective is to create a sense of speed as opposed to a sense of realism.[2]

Thanks Andy.
Backs up my point exactly :)

Oh and there are plenty of real world events that are done and dusted in 30 minutes. They are not all endurance events. But your point is valid there's nothing like driving for a few hours thinking about fuel, tyres, etc. Knowing that if you leave the track that 100% damage is going to kick you in the arse. I like both kinds of events and R2P had a great balance of both. I think there's room enough for all kinds. I don't agree with you when you say that modifying tyre deg and upping fuel usage turns the race into arcade. It's still as difficult to drive the cars as it would be if they were set to normal. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

No matter what our views of our hobby are Jason's right, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter as long as we all enjoy it and continue to keep online racing alive.

Now I really have hijacked John's original thread. Sorry about that John.

Cheers
Guys

 
Posted by Luke Maney Id_icon_gray at 11:29 AM on Nov 30, 2016 Post #20

Well if Todd is not paying any attention to these posts (to us the customer that is), then I'm afraid this is all just academic!

Todd can you hear me? I am willing to pay $10 more per month, and if all the other paying members were to do the same would that change things, or not?

But like I stated in an earlier post, I am not willing to pay more for status quo! Changes must be made! Changes that will increase the grid sizes and reduce the junk mods and careless drivers,etc...

Friendly comments welcome.

 
Posted by Scott Ring Id_icon_gray at 12:22 PM on Nov 30, 2016 Post #21

Hillary should've won the championship! Trump should not have backed up Rosburg! Hamilton is overrated (according to trump) Pac-Man is a bit arcady for me..
Oh darn it I was just trying to get in on the flight and now I screwed it all up. OK let's just all get together for a fistfight er I mean a beer

 
Posted by Aaron Jackson Id_icon_gray at 10:29 AM on Dec 01, 2016 Post #22

Andy is right, we need to take a chill pill.

It was fun while it lasted. The fact remains is R2P is closing, but sim racing will continue on. We just need a new garage to park our cars in is all. :D

Change sucks, In the past 3 years I went thru 2 different jobs, one by choice, one not by choice. Stress level 9000.
You guys helped keep me sane believe it or not during that period.

In the end it all came out in the wash, I still think my first decision was the best as it opened up a plethora of doors for me.

The same will come of our community, we just need to stick together.

 
Posted by Luke Maney Id_icon_gray at 02:59 PM on Dec 01, 2016 Post #23

Can't we all just get along?

 
Posted by Jason Whited Id_icon_gray at 03:41 PM on Dec 01, 2016 Post #24

I have a dream...!

Wait, aren't we supposed to fight sometimes though? Wouldn't be racing without the off track politics and arguments would it? :P

LOL...

 
Posted by Gilles Lalonde Id_icon at 11:30 PM on Dec 01, 2016 Post #25

I'm a Linux/Unix Sysadmin.

I would give my time for this to continue.

Being on the inside, I'm the one that was doing the event banners. I know a few things that I can't relate. Inside stuff...

Todd, can you give us... what ever that may be... while you would still own the dot com... Todd, can you give us the site?

A bewildered user.

 
Posted by Michael Herring Id_icon_gray at 04:40 PM on Dec 03, 2016 Post #26

Has anyone thought that, beyond any financial reasons, that Tim and Todd may just be tired of doing this and want to do something else?

Maybe they started R2P because they loved the sport and wanted to create a place where you could go to race with like minded people. But after ten years maybe enough is enough. Maybe not everyone's as "like-minde"d as they thought. Maybe dealing with people constantly complaining and offering something for free in the hope that people would support their effort didn't pan out the way they thought. Maybe things just change.

Being tired and wanting to do something else is good enough for me though. They are not beholden to us to continue. And I don't blame them for not wanting to hand over thousands of hours of development over for nothing. If they want to sell then they will discuss in private as such business should be conducted.

I make a call to everyone to end these discussions. Recall the memories, say your goodbyes. But let R2P pass into history with the dignity it deserves.

 
Posted by Gilles Lalonde Id_icon at 05:27 PM on Dec 03, 2016 Post #27

@Michael Herring,

Tired or not, the Dot Com is worth a lot so the whole thing could be sold... it's not happening... why do you think?

 
Posted by Mario Rocha Id_icon_gray at 07:02 AM on Dec 28, 2016 Post #28

Todd

If you want you can upload race2play to Atlantic Motorsport servers.

You can have all website as a read only site

FREE

Think about

 
Posted by Iain Watson Id_icon_gray at 05:55 PM on Jan 09, 2017 Post #29

Good post Andy. I raced with you a few dozen times or so a few years back, good times! You described sim racing perfectly. Think I managed to beat you a few times, but even if I told you I only practised for 10 mins, I was lying! I practised a lot, setup, stratagies, toilet before the race, bike water bottle by my side, I used to finish the race a physical wreck, walked out my room dizzy!

Never forget one of the races, Cascavel stock car (I just checked my history), I couldn't make the next few turns for pissing myself laughing at your slight oversteer correction sending you to the moon!

Your account "I was doing so well, trying to hold on to Watson and holding a comfortable P3. I'd just changed brake bias, and entering T2 got it sideways, across the grass, up the banking, hit the catch fencing, set off for the moon! Nasty tumble down too!"

Good times mate.

My beautiful daughter came along soon after, not a good sleeper, stress from work, being a Dad and all the important things in life kept me away. Started getting back into it a bit, and sorry to hear the news, was a special place for sure.

Would have won more if it wasn't for a quick Alden Edwards!

Loved racing in the rain, favourite was the M3 and Brands, that was a classic. Nov 24th 2012, those were good time with Goran, that was when every driver put in an interesting race report!

Will be looking for something similar in future so will keep an eye out.

Cheers
Iain

 
Posted by Andy Graydon Id_icon at 02:54 AM on Jan 10, 2017 Post #30

LOL, yes Iain I remember that moment like it was yesterday. Good times indeed!